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KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

Hi. I recently bought a KN6000 and searched for info on replacing the floppy with a USB port but didn't find anything specific. I found information for the KN6500 and the KN3000 and KN5000 but those actually conflicted. The information for the KN6500 said…

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KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

spencernj

spencernj
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Hi. I recently bought a KN6000 and searched for info on replacing the floppy with a USB port but didn't find anything specific. I found information for the KN6500 and the KN3000 and KN5000 but those actually conflicted. The information for the KN6500 said this was a relatively simple swap while the one for the KN5000 said that I needed to carry out electronic modification to the USB emulator. I did some more investigation (I am an IT person) and they were both right in a way.

If you look at this youtube video for the KN6500http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MYHvUuFjk... then you will find most of this is right for the KN6000 also but its easier on the KN6000 (or mine anyway) as the need to cut cable ties to lengthen the cable isn't even needed. You basically just swap the floppy with the emulator.

However the issue is getting the right floppy to USB emulator. There are a few that are sold specifically for the KN6000 but cost about 90euro. You do not need to buy these. The simple Gotek ones costing from about 18euro (from China) work fine. (such as thishttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WD-SFR1M44-U100K-USB-Floppy-Drive-Emulato... However, it is important to get the right one. If you get the older version that has a two digit display and supports a USB appearing as if its 99 floppy disks then YOU DO need to do electronic modifications as shown in this video for a KN5000http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b4xUS6gOaI.... If you get the more recent models that have the three digit display then you should not need to do the electronic modification. Mine works 100% without any electronic modification. I explain why below.

Also the presenter in the video for the KN6500 highlights the fact that once you have formatted the drive on the KN6X00 that although the USB stick is now the equivalent to 999 floppies, when plugged into a PC, the PC only "sees" the first floppy so you have to put your styles and midi files etc on this first "floppy" then use the KN6X00 to copy them to one of the other "floppy disks" on the USB stick and that this is a slow and laborious process. This is not strictly true. My PC runs Linux and not Windows and with a bit of playing around I have found that with LInux it's possible to load your files onto any of the 999 "floppy disks". Let me know if you want more info.

The reason the older two digit emulators don't work without modification is that they were designed to make a USB pendrive emulate a floppy drive installed in a PC. Most floppy drives had a feature that allowed them to send a signal to the computer to say a disk had been inserted and the disk would then be automatically detected and loaded. Computers such as the Apple Mac and Amiga used this feature but the PC did not, but the KNX000's do . So the original floppy to USB emulators did not emulate this feature so when you installed them in say a KN6000 you had to do a modification and fit a switch which when pressed would send a signal to the keyboard to say a floppy had been inserted or changed. However the later floppy emulators include this feature and send the correct signals to the keyboard when a pendrive is inserted or switched to a another virtual "floppy" without the need to fit the switch.

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Posted on September 11, 2016 at 10:36 PM
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Dundee

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

Hi, I just upgraded my kn6500 with the Gotec floppy emulator. I was able to format my usb stick showing 999 floppys, but now I'm stuck I looked all over the internet but can't find a detailed explination on how to load all my floppys on to the usb for use with my kn6500. Can you help.

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Posted on May 2, 2017 at 12:58 AM

spencernj

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

Hi.

If you just plug the USB stick into your PC then you just "see" the first floppy of the 999. You should have received some Windows software with your emulator that allows you to " see" the other floppy disks and select the one you want. I don't use it because I use Linux so have written my won little utility that does this for me. If you are using a Mac then I can't help teh software that come with the drive is for Windows. Some people just put the usbb stick in their computer put what they ant on the first floppy then use the KN to copy it to one of the other "floppies", sounds a bit laborious but it does work apparently.

Posted on May 2, 2017 at 10:36 PM

paulius55

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

I know it's a while since you posted your request but this software (Use version 1.4) allows your PC to see all of the emulated floppies on the USB stick and to save and delete as normal.

http://www.ipcas.com/support/usb-floppy-emulation-download.html...

Posted on November 20, 2017 at 9:53 AM

amayfield

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

Can anyone tell me the correct emulator for installation to the KN6000? I have tried two different emulators and neither has performed satisfactorily. My first purchase was a “cheap” Chinese-made “GOTEK” which came without any software although the description showed a software CD; when I queried the seller he said he would check with his supplier and let me know; never heard back from him. The second was an expensive Nalbantov which was made for a Technics organ and which the engineers thought would work in the KN6000; not so. I reinstalled the floppy drive, but still want to do the upgrade, but do not know which of the 400+ emulators on eBay, Amazon, or any other source will work on the KN6000. I haven’t been able to find anyone who has performed the upgrade on a KN6000; the YouTube video of a KN6500 uograde looks easy, but I’ve been advised by a Tehnics technician that the internal workings of the 6000 vs 6500 are different, but he couldn’t suggest an emulator. While most emulators for sale online have similar designations, there are apprently different processor chips installed, and I have been unable to find any type of descriptor for them.

In addition to the hardware issue is a software issue. I use an intel-based iMac with Parallels Windows emulator, which works well with the program I purchased for great photo printing (my other hobby), and for Microsoft Office appications, but does not perform well with the USB stick formatter from IPCAS or any other I’ve found. It doesn’t even recognize the USB stick.

If anybody out there can help me, you will earn my undying gratitude!

Posted on October 11, 2018 at 2:33 AM

spencernj

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

Firstly:

The cheap Gotek one like the one you linked to works fine in a KN6000. It seems your only issue was you didn't get the software. Even without the software it will still work fine in the KN but without the software when you put your usb stick in your computer you only see the first virtual "floppy" but you can put your files on that first one and use the KN to copy it to another virtual floppy which is a bit clunky but I know other people do that who don't have or don't want to use a PC.

Did you get the floppy emulator to work in the KN and format a 2gb USB stick as 999 virtual floppies?

Do you know how to initialize the USB stick in the emulator with the KN?

Secondly:

Looks like you have managed to find the right software online but your right it won't work with an emulator on your Mac. I can understand that as the software needs to directly access the usb stick bypassing the windows operating system which will cause problems on an emulator.

I don't know if there is a Mac version but I've never seen one.

You could dump the emulator and set your Mac up to dual boot OSX and Windows

Thirdly:

If you know your way around the Mac OS command line and it's underlying UNIX commands you can access all the floppies on the USB stick without the need for special software.

But you need to have initialized the memory stick in the floppy emulator installed in the KN FIRST.

Fourthly:

Another neat workaround is to buy a second floppy emulator and buy a USB to floppy interface then you can plug that into your Mac and use the emulator buttons to select which virtual floppy you want to access. USB to floppy interfaces are becoming rarer so this may be a more expensive solution.

Posted on October 11, 2018 at 4:20 AM

amayfield

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

HEY, spencernj! Thanks so much for the quick and most helpful response.
In order of your comments:

I got the GOTEK emulator working one time only, using a USB stick formatted on the KN to 1,000 floppies. I was never able to do another one either on that USB stick or a different KN-formatted stick. I never could get anything to work on the Nalbantov; in their defense, their engineer told me they had never tried it in the KN6000, but based on engineering specs, it looked the same as one Technics organ model.

I’ve been thinking for a while about loading Windows on the Mac with Boot Camp, because it is a pain to use Parallels, but since I had only one appliation to run under
Windows (Qimage - the neatest photo printing applicaion ever written), I put up with it; plus, I didn’t want to partition my HD. But now that I have something else to run, I think I’ll do the partioning.

Years ago, back in the early days of desktop computers, before IBM “invented” the PC, I was fairly familiar with DOS and its commands. I’ve used the Mac OS teminal a few times, but I’m now “too old” (75) to mess around with that level. I’m just too lazy to want to learn something new!

Anyway, thanks a millon for your helpful avice. I think I’ll go ahead and set up my Mac for dual boot, either Mac or Windows, especially now that I don’t have to exit one to boot the other.

Posted on October 11, 2018 at 6:37 AM

amayfield

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

One more question: You specify a 2GB memory stick. I saw that number someplace else, too. Actually, 2GB thumb drives are hard to come by right now. Most are 16GB and above, on up to 512GB. The 2GB is more than sufficient to hold 1,000 floppies, is there a problem associated with going larger?

Posted on October 11, 2018 at 1:14 PM

paulius55

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

I have successfully fitted a Gotek drive to my KN5000 and also to a Yamaha PSR9000. You don't need a 2Gb USB stick, but anything over is wasted, so don't worry. I use a 4Gb on mine and a 32Gb is used on my friend's PSR9000.

Posted on October 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM

amayfield

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

Thanks a lot, paulius55.

Posted on October 11, 2018 at 6:15 PM

spencernj

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Re: KN6000 Floppy to USB Upgrade

I just use 2gb as the test would be wasted. I use one of those little usb dongles that holds microSD cards and I have quite a few on 2gb microSD cards lying about from old phones etc.

Also if it worked once then it should work again unless it's faulty or the usb pen drive is faulty. You do know to put the stick in and press both buttons and hold them while powering up the KN.

Posted on October 12, 2018 at 11:43 AM